by ceck » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:39 am
LS2 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 7:57 pm
Thank you for sharing. I find it ironic that people's affinity with science has nothing to do with the scientific method but is instead dogmatic in nature.
What makes you say that social skills are based on decisions? When people try to silence you, that isn't necessarily on you. That's the herd mentality coming to the surface.
Also, I do not understand how heresy against Catholicism is linked to anti-Judaism in particular. Is it because the upbringing of religious Jews is equally filled with superstitions? Please expand because we may not agree on what counts as a superstition and what doesn't. I don't think most Jews have any problem with science.
1. I don't necessarily believe my poor social skills are due to my decisions. Some people like to say everything in your life is your responsibility, and those people tell me to stop whining about my poor social skills because everything bad in my life is the result of my actions. I try to see their points of view without signing on to them. Previously I had written:
I do not have great social skills. Maybe this is all my fault -- maybe I made bad choices that resulted in subpar social skills. Or maybe it is due to autism, or maybe I was dropped on my head a few too many times.
Maybe my poor social skills are my fault, and maybe they are not my fault.
2. Regarding:
Also, I do not understand how heresy against Catholicism is linked to anti-Judaism in particular. Is it because the upbringing of religious Jews is equally filled with superstitions? Please expand because we may not agree on what counts as a superstition and what doesn't.
This is a big topic, centered on the claim that El was not equivalent to Yahweh. As far as I can tell, there have always been several mutually contradictory sects that compete for the title of the definitive Jewish religion. (The conventional misconception is that there is only one Jewish religion, it had multiple names for a single god, and it has been mostly consistent.) Scholars sometimes come to believe that the various Jewish sects are so logically inconsistent that they can't be called a single religion; then those scholars typically leave all Abrahamic religion. If these priesthoods all disagree with each other, it's hard to believe a single God inspired them all. Once you start subjecting the Old Testament to skeptical criticism, it's hard to believe in any of it as authoritative. (It's not impossible; if people are interested I can write many essays on various interpretations of the Old Testament.)
The Catholic Church usually claims that there was just one Jewish religion, and that the pre-Jesus Jewish religion had considerable validity -- it was God's favorite religion, so to speak. But the Catholic Church claims that as soon as Jesus came and started preaching, the old Jewish religion was superseded, and all Jews were supposed to convert to Catholicism. However, the Catholic Church, in practice, has strong alliances with Jewish elites. Catholic elites sometimes study various versions of Jewish religions and use them as inspiration for Catholic teachings. Basically, the Catholic consensus is that Jewish religion is in some sense foundational to Catholic religion. Thus Catholics don't like to see the wrong kind of disbelief in Judaism. Catholics are allowed to say sentimental things like, "Gosh, it's too bad the Jews had slaves and polygamy in the olden days, but all they needed was Jesus in their hearts and they would have seen the light." Catholics are not allowed to say things like, "Jews in 500 BC were goddess-worshipping polytheists and Asherah was the wife of El before she was the wife of Yahweh; El was not equivalent to Yahweh." Further, the teachings of the Catholic church have changed drastically in the past 100 years. Before Vatican II, Catholic priests had no problem preaching that Jews had to accept Jesus as Christ or else go to Hell. (Of course, they also had the "baptism of desire" doctrine to complicate matters.) Vatican II changed a bunch of Catholic habits/ideas/teachings/cultural practices. In the past 20 years, Catholicism has become nearly unrecognizable to me.
Then, too, there is a body of anti-Jewish thought from Jews who became angry at Jewish leaders. One important Jewish scholar is Israel Shahak. Simply mentioning this author is enough to get me banned from many forums.
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Thank you for sharing. I find it ironic that people's affinity with science has nothing to do with the scientific method but is instead dogmatic in nature.
What makes you say that social skills are based on decisions? When people try to silence you, that isn't necessarily on you. That's the herd mentality coming to the surface.
Also, I do not understand how heresy against Catholicism is linked to anti-Judaism in particular. Is it because the upbringing of religious Jews is equally filled with superstitions? Please expand because we may not agree on what counts as a superstition and what doesn't. I don't think most Jews have any problem with science.
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1. I don't necessarily believe my poor social skills are due to my decisions. Some people like to say everything in your life is your responsibility, and those people tell me to stop whining about my poor social skills because everything bad in my life is the result of my actions. I try to see their points of view without signing on to them. Previously I had written:
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I do not have great social skills. Maybe this is all my fault -- maybe I made bad choices that resulted in subpar social skills. Or maybe it is due to autism, or maybe I was dropped on my head a few too many times. [/quote]
Maybe my poor social skills are my fault, and maybe they are not my fault.
2. Regarding:
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Also, I do not understand how heresy against Catholicism is linked to anti-Judaism in particular. Is it because the upbringing of religious Jews is equally filled with superstitions? Please expand because we may not agree on what counts as a superstition and what doesn't.[/quote]
This is a big topic, centered on the claim that El was not equivalent to Yahweh. As far as I can tell, there have always been several mutually contradictory sects that compete for the title of the definitive Jewish religion. (The conventional misconception is that there is only one Jewish religion, it had multiple names for a single god, and it has been mostly consistent.) Scholars sometimes come to believe that the various Jewish sects are so logically inconsistent that they can't be called a single religion; then those scholars typically leave all Abrahamic religion. If these priesthoods all disagree with each other, it's hard to believe a single God inspired them all. Once you start subjecting the Old Testament to skeptical criticism, it's hard to believe in any of it as authoritative. (It's not impossible; if people are interested I can write many essays on various interpretations of the Old Testament.)
The Catholic Church usually claims that there was just one Jewish religion, and that the pre-Jesus Jewish religion had considerable validity -- it was God's favorite religion, so to speak. But the Catholic Church claims that as soon as Jesus came and started preaching, the old Jewish religion was superseded, and all Jews were supposed to convert to Catholicism. However, the Catholic Church, in practice, has strong alliances with Jewish elites. Catholic elites sometimes study various versions of Jewish religions and use them as inspiration for Catholic teachings. Basically, the Catholic consensus is that Jewish religion is in some sense foundational to Catholic religion. Thus Catholics don't like to see the wrong kind of disbelief in Judaism. Catholics are allowed to say sentimental things like, "Gosh, it's too bad the Jews had slaves and polygamy in the olden days, but all they needed was Jesus in their hearts and they would have seen the light." Catholics are not allowed to say things like, "Jews in 500 BC were goddess-worshipping polytheists and Asherah was the wife of El before she was the wife of Yahweh; El was not equivalent to Yahweh." Further, the teachings of the Catholic church have changed drastically in the past 100 years. Before Vatican II, Catholic priests had no problem preaching that Jews had to accept Jesus as Christ or else go to Hell. (Of course, they also had the "baptism of desire" doctrine to complicate matters.) Vatican II changed a bunch of Catholic habits/ideas/teachings/cultural practices. In the past 20 years, Catholicism has become nearly unrecognizable to me.
Then, too, there is a body of anti-Jewish thought from Jews who became angry at Jewish leaders. One important Jewish scholar is Israel Shahak. Simply mentioning this author is enough to get me banned from many forums.